Comments on: The problem with dataportability is with the providers, not services (duh) http://www.unodewaal.com/2008/01/21/the-problem-with-dataportability-is-with-the-providers-not-services-duh/ Uno de Waal's online space covering everything about web2.0, social networks and internet related developments in South Africa and how it fits in with the rest of the world. Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:31:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Uno de Waal » Blog Archive » Gmail OAuth http://www.unodewaal.com/2008/01/21/the-problem-with-dataportability-is-with-the-providers-not-services-duh/#comment-3629 Uno de Waal » Blog Archive » Gmail OAuth Mon, 10 Mar 2008 13:17:30 +0000 http://www.unodewaal.com/2008/01/21/the-problem-with-dataportability-is-with-the-providers-not-services-duh/#comment-3629 [...] with Gmail is going to do wonders for OAuth. There’s no publicity like bad publicity. I claimed it a while back and I still firmly believe that if the services make your data portable through [...] [...] with Gmail is going to do wonders for OAuth. There’s no publicity like bad publicity. I claimed it a while back and I still firmly believe that if the services make your data portable through [...]

]]> By: Younique - Where Marketing Meets IT » Blog Archive » Data Portability - Explained http://www.unodewaal.com/2008/01/21/the-problem-with-dataportability-is-with-the-providers-not-services-duh/#comment-3611 Younique - Where Marketing Meets IT » Blog Archive » Data Portability - Explained Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:19:03 +0000 http://www.unodewaal.com/2008/01/21/the-problem-with-dataportability-is-with-the-providers-not-services-duh/#comment-3611 [...] in its infancy, however I believe it will become a standard once all parties concerned overcome their problems. If you would like to keep up-to-date with the progress of Data portability, you can visit or [...] [...] in its infancy, however I believe it will become a standard once all parties concerned overcome their problems. If you would like to keep up-to-date with the progress of Data portability, you can visit or [...]

]]> By: Uno http://www.unodewaal.com/2008/01/21/the-problem-with-dataportability-is-with-the-providers-not-services-duh/#comment-3602 Uno Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:28:08 +0000 http://www.unodewaal.com/2008/01/21/the-problem-with-dataportability-is-with-the-providers-not-services-duh/#comment-3602 Hey Trent, I have already joined the dataportability group, I read it, but don't always have the time to contribute. Justin - I do think that growing the network is probably most NB for users, but if you take that with these kinds of best practices, services should get more, quality users in. Also, what I'm saying is essentially that Google shouldn't allow sites too be able to scrape data like that - they should develop the Hey Trent, I have already joined the dataportability group, I read it, but don’t always have the time to contribute.

Justin - I do think that growing the network is probably most NB for users, but if you take that with these kinds of best practices, services should get more, quality users in.

Also, what I’m saying is essentially that Google shouldn’t allow sites too be able to scrape data like that - they should develop the

]]> By: Justin Baum http://www.unodewaal.com/2008/01/21/the-problem-with-dataportability-is-with-the-providers-not-services-duh/#comment-3601 Justin Baum Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:12:35 +0000 http://www.unodewaal.com/2008/01/21/the-problem-with-dataportability-is-with-the-providers-not-services-duh/#comment-3601 Nice post! I have been following this thread as well, and posted about it last night here... http://www.brosbeforeblogs.com/2008/01/is-increasing-t.html So I did point the finger at Pownce and raised the issue on their Satisfaction page. But I also caveated it by saying I can't blame then for implementing the password anti-pattern. Everyone is jumping off the bridge and it is a big mess. So don't let the services get off free. They need a proper talking too... because after all on the social web services can also be the providers and vice versa. Pownce is no less a provider of my identity than my google account. So by blaming the providers we are collectively pointing the finger at ourselves. The point of my post was that right now for a hungry startup full of people who know about the data portability issues growing a user's network is more important than instilling best practices in how to handle their sensitive information. Sign of the times I suppose. Nice post!

I have been following this thread as well, and posted about it last night here…

http://www.brosbeforeblogs.com/2008/01/is-increasing-t.html

So I did point the finger at Pownce and raised the issue on their Satisfaction page. But I also caveated it by saying I can’t blame then for implementing the password anti-pattern. Everyone is jumping off the bridge and it is a big mess. So don’t let the services get off free. They need a proper talking too… because after all on the social web services can also be the providers and vice versa. Pownce is no less a provider of my identity than my google account. So by blaming the providers we are collectively pointing the finger at ourselves.

The point of my post was that right now for a hungry startup full of people who know about the data portability issues growing a user’s network is more important than instilling best practices in how to handle their sensitive information. Sign of the times I suppose.

]]> By: alan http://www.unodewaal.com/2008/01/21/the-problem-with-dataportability-is-with-the-providers-not-services-duh/#comment-3600 alan Wed, 23 Jan 2008 07:13:38 +0000 http://www.unodewaal.com/2008/01/21/the-problem-with-dataportability-is-with-the-providers-not-services-duh/#comment-3600 thanks for making this one blip on the radar. yet another thing to bear in mind... ;) thanks for making this one blip on the radar. yet another thing to bear in mind… ;)

]]> By: J. Trent Adams http://www.unodewaal.com/2008/01/21/the-problem-with-dataportability-is-with-the-providers-not-services-duh/#comment-3599 J. Trent Adams Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:50:06 +0000 http://www.unodewaal.com/2008/01/21/the-problem-with-dataportability-is-with-the-providers-not-services-duh/#comment-3599 Great points, and it sounds like you've been noodling this for a while. In fact, based on your other related posts, it seems like it'd be great to have your voice added to the debate. You might consider joining the DataPortability.org Workgroup: http://groups.google.com/group/dataportability-public ... and if you're so inclined, there're also a couple technical groups in which you might want to participate. Great points, and it sounds like you’ve been noodling this for a while. In fact, based on your other related posts, it seems like it’d be great to have your voice added to the debate.

You might consider joining the DataPortability.org Workgroup:

http://groups.google.com/group/dataportability-public

… and if you’re so inclined, there’re also a couple technical groups in which you might want to participate.

]]> By: Jaxon Rice http://www.unodewaal.com/2008/01/21/the-problem-with-dataportability-is-with-the-providers-not-services-duh/#comment-3597 Jaxon Rice Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:52:10 +0000 http://www.unodewaal.com/2008/01/21/the-problem-with-dataportability-is-with-the-providers-not-services-duh/#comment-3597 Absolutely. The next generation of social networks will be built on this portability. No one wants to join a YANS (yet another social network) and enter duplicate information and a new social graph. As you pointed out the password anti-pattern is teaching people very bad practices and poses a huge threat to online security. OpenID and OAuth can provide answers to thsi problem - we just need to get Google and Microsoft on board with the concept. Absolutely. The next generation of social networks will be built on this portability. No one wants to join a YANS (yet another social network) and enter duplicate information and a new social graph.

As you pointed out the password anti-pattern is teaching people very bad practices and poses a huge threat to online security. OpenID and OAuth can provide answers to thsi problem - we just need to get Google and Microsoft on board with the concept.

]]> By: Openid » The problem with dataportability is with the providers, not services (duh) http://www.unodewaal.com/2008/01/21/the-problem-with-dataportability-is-with-the-providers-not-services-duh/#comment-3596 Openid » The problem with dataportability is with the providers, not services (duh) Mon, 21 Jan 2008 08:49:54 +0000 http://www.unodewaal.com/2008/01/21/the-problem-with-dataportability-is-with-the-providers-not-services-duh/#comment-3596 [...] Uno de Waal wrote an interesting post today on The problem with dataportability is with the providers, not services (duh)Here’s a quick excerpt Going through my feeds this morning I once again came across the “bad user design” meme. A lot of people have been talking about it. Jeremy Keith, Josh Morgan, Brian Oberkirch, Dare Obasanjo, also even Paul Buchheit (the guy behind Gmail) and it was particularly explicit and loud when Robert Scoble went through that whole Plaxo/Facebook screenscraping episode. Basically what people are saying is that it’s a bad idea to give sites your usernames/passwords when you sign up. This creates a bad an [...] [...] Uno de Waal wrote an interesting post today on The problem with dataportability is with the providers, not services (duh)Here’s a quick excerpt Going through my feeds this morning I once again came across the “bad user design” meme. A lot of people have been talking about it. Jeremy Keith, Josh Morgan, Brian Oberkirch, Dare Obasanjo, also even Paul Buchheit (the guy behind Gmail) and it was particularly explicit and loud when Robert Scoble went through that whole Plaxo/Facebook screenscraping episode. Basically what people are saying is that it’s a bad idea to give sites your usernames/passwords when you sign up. This creates a bad an [...]

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